Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew was interviewed by The Wall Street Journal on April 20. Below is an edited excerpt from the interview.

Asked about the downgrading of the US economy, MM Lee says his ‘impression is that presidents do not get re-elected if they give a hard dose of medicine to their people. So there is a tendency to procrastinate, to postpone unpopular policies in order to win elections’. — ST PHOTO: STEPHANIE YEOW
•The global economy is not doing particularly well. Singapore is in good shape.
MM: Well, we have got China and India rising rapidly, making very high rates of growth. China anywhere between 8 and 11 per cent a year, India 7 and 9 per cent. That lifts up the whole region. We are at the crossroads between the two giants. You’ve got to pass Singapore to go from the Indian Ocean into the Pacific.
•The concern more broadly, certainly in the United States, is inflation. How concerned are you about Singapore?
Well, world inflation is not a problem Singapore can control, except by increasing the value of our currency to keep the price of imports down. But at the same time we must keep the price of our goods and services competitive. So it is a fine balance. On the whole, we will do well.
The only negative factor is what has happened to Japan. Japan is one of our key trading and economic partners. The earthquake, tsunami and the breakdown of the nuclear power plant has been a setback which they will take some time to recover completely from. During that recovery time, their momentum will not quite be the same. That is a negative for the region.
•You probably notice the discussion about Singapore becoming a global centre for trade in the yuan.
No, Hong Kong will be the first. We may be a secondary centre. Hong Kong is part of China. Hong Kong is well connected to the international financial markets. So China will use Hong Kong. The overflow may come to us.
•I guess as the yuan becomes what you might call normal currency, around the world there will be a couple of centres that have more liquidity.
It will be some time before they make their currency convertible. They have very strong internal reasons to make sure that once they open up, they will not be destabilised.
•Did you ever imagine that you would see the US economy put on negative watch by a ratings agency?
No, but what to do. It has been gradually coming. Budget deficits, debts, high unemployment figures – and these lingered on over several administrations. My impression is that presidents do not get re-elected if they give a hard dose of medicine to their people. So there is a tendency to procrastinate, to postpone unpopular policies in order to win elections.
I do not know what President Barack Obama will do. He knows he has got this responsibility but he has got to tussle with the Republicans. I believe if he tackles this problem, it will improve his chances of re-election. There must be enough reasonable and thinking Americans who know that this is the only way forward to recover their competitiveness.
•When you look ahead for Singapore in this very unstable world (what do you see)?
It is an unstable world and an unstable region. We have got problems in the Philippines; Thailand is a divided country between the Red Shirts and Yellow Shirts. Indonesia is relatively quiet with Dr Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono as President, making progress, so that is a plus. Malaysia is doing economically well but they have communal problems. Malays go to National or Malay schools; the Chinese do not want their children to learn mainly Malay, so they go to Chinese schools where they learn Chinese and English; and the Indians go to Indian schools learning Indian and English. So the population is segregated. The Prime Minister now calls for 1Malaysia to bring them together. It would have been better if they had started 1Malaysia from the beginning.
•Like ‘One Singapore’?
We give everybody equal opportunities, our great advantage was we chose a working language that did not belong to any of us – English – so no race had an advantage. English also linked us up to the world.
•The Middle East has changed remarkably. Did you ever imagine that so much change would happen so quickly?
Once it started, these monarchies and authoritarian governments, their peoples sense that this is not an immutable state of affairs – that they have the power to change the system. So it spread throughout the region. They call it the Jasmine Revolution. The contagion was immediate.
Libya is not settled yet, but looks messy. It is tribal. There are tribes who are against (Colonel Muammar) Gaddafi but there are tribes that he belongs to and has looked after who are loyal to him.
•One characteristic we have noticed in the case of Libya is that the US has been a little more reluctant to get involved. Are you worried that the US is changing…?
I do not want to comment on them. France has taken the initiative. France is well informed on Libya, more than the Americans. France has taken the lead but they do not have the equipment to settle the issue militarily. They do not have the A-10 planes that can knock out tanks and armoured vehicles on the road.
•For Asia and Singapore, how important is it that America stay engaged globally?
Well, the world has developed because of the stability America established. If that stability is rocked, we are going to have a different situation. The challenge may come gradually from China. But I do not think China wants to upset the apple cart. They need American markets, they need American investments, they need American technology, they want their students in large numbers to go to America to learn how to do things the American way. So while there will be keen competition, I do not see conflict.
•Can you imagine China and the US having enough of a consensus for them to both be rocks in the future?
I do not have a crystal ball but I would say for 10, 20, 30 years, it is not in the interests of China to have other than stable relations with America, growing exports to America, imports of American technology, investments from America and sending students to America to learn. Now Americans are going to send 100,000 students to China to learn Chinese and about China. Americans recognise that China is going to be a long-term player. Which means they would each have people in both countries who will eventually reach the top with a good understanding of the other side.
Why should America fear China? China and India by their sheer numbers are going back to the position they occupied, 250-300 years ago in (terms of their share of) total world GDP. They are going to get back to that level, just by sheer numbers.
But I believe the Americans will always have the advantage because of their all- embracing society. The English language that makes it easy to attract foreign talent: two to three million Indians, God knows how many million Koreans, Japanese, Chinese and others, besides the West Europeans and British. The American domestic talent pool includes over six million Jews.
•Well more if you count extended family.
High levels of bright people and they attract able professionals from all over the world. China cannot do that because of their difficult language. The English language is either the first or second language of most countries in the world. The Chinese language is one of the hardest to learn if you don’t start off speaking it as a child. It is monosyllabic and tonal.
•The US dollar is somewhat under pressure.
Yes, I have told you the reasons why. You can print dollars but in the end, you are going to reduce the value of the dollar. When other people borrow money, they have got to pay back in dollars. When Americans borrow money, they just print their dollars. But the cost comes with the lower value of the dollar and then inflation.
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I do not have a crystal ball but I would say for 10, 20, 30 years, it is not in the interests of China to have other than stable relations with America, growing exports to America, imports of American technology, investments from America and sending students to America to learn.
Source: Straits Times, 27th April 2011